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From: "Laura, Jason R" <jlaura@usgs.gov>
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 15:10:29 -0700
Subject: [PATCH] Updates moon dec and january
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+date: '2022-12-08'
+title: '2023-01-12 Working Meeting'
+---
+
+{{< meeting-notes >}}
+
+[Teams Link](https://teams.microsoft.com/l/meetup-join/19%3ameeting_NjM0MzI5NGUtZDI1ZS00YWVjLWI1MTctYjUzZTU4OTVlNWIz%40thread.v2/0?context=%7b%22Tid%22%3a%220693b5ba-4b18-4d7b-9341-f32f400a5494%22%2c%22Oid%22%3a%22c27c6e98-e45a-45ff-aea5-7f10d6fe67c1%22%7d)
+No dial in number yet, sorry!
+
+## Attendees
+-
+
+## Agenda
+- Governance document review
+- Comments on standards
+- Next meeting agenda
+-
+
+## Notes
+
+-
+- Open floor
+
+
+## Action Items
+-
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-date: '2022-12-08'
-title: '2022-12-08 Working Meeting'
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-
-{{< meeting-notes >}}
-
-[Teams Link](https://teams.microsoft.com/l/meetup-join/19%3ameeting_NjM0MzI5NGUtZDI1ZS00YWVjLWI1MTctYjUzZTU4OTVlNWIz%40thread.v2/0?context=%7b%22Tid%22%3a%220693b5ba-4b18-4d7b-9341-f32f400a5494%22%2c%22Oid%22%3a%22c27c6e98-e45a-45ff-aea5-7f10d6fe67c1%22%7d)
-No dial in number yet, sorry!
-
-## Attendees
-- Jay Laura
--
-
-
-## Agenda
-- LPSC Abstract
-- LEAG Meeting (Executive Group)
-- Lunar SDI Standards:
- - Data interoperability and (???) should make heavy use of hyperlinks.
- - Data interoperability: Longitude domain. GISystems want -180 to 180. Compelling reasons to force 0-360?
- - Data interoperability -> Map Projections: 'centered on an image' - what does that mean? Poor language.
- - Cartographic Standards - Styled Layer Descriptor for vector symbols in GeoPackage format
- - Metadata Standards: metadata standards - support of FGDC or ISO, recommending the transition to ISO (reduces friction with accuracy descriptions). Also, should we address unique resource identifiers for data, people, organizations, controlled vocabularies, etc.?
-- Open floor
-
-## Notes
--
-
-
-## Action Items
-- From last meeting:
- - All: Review governance documents. Async discussion as appropriate. Goal is to be able to discuss in person anything where consensus is hard to find in January.
- - All: Think about an LPSC abstract (due 2 days before our January meeting). Likely a great opportunity to publicize our work. Discuss async if possible to keep space for standards discussion. I (Jay) can write a lunar/europa SDI one or a separate lunar and Europa one. Anyone on here can first author this too!
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+---
+date: '2022-12-08'
+title: '2022-12-08 Working Meeting'
+---
+
+{{< meeting-notes >}}
+
+[Teams Link](https://teams.microsoft.com/l/meetup-join/19%3ameeting_NjM0MzI5NGUtZDI1ZS00YWVjLWI1MTctYjUzZTU4OTVlNWIz%40thread.v2/0?context=%7b%22Tid%22%3a%220693b5ba-4b18-4d7b-9341-f32f400a5494%22%2c%22Oid%22%3a%22c27c6e98-e45a-45ff-aea5-7f10d6fe67c1%22%7d)
+No dial in number yet, sorry!
+
+## Attendees
+- Jay Laura
+- Brent Archinal
+- Laz Kestay
+- Marc Hunter
+- Julie Stopar
+- Ross Beyer
+- Noah Petro
+
+## Agenda
+- LPSD Abstract
+- LEAG Meeting (Executive Group)
+- Lunar SDI Standards
+
+## Notes
+
+- LPSC Abstract
+ - Jay working on it. Will be Europa / Lunar.
+- LEAG Meeting (Executive Group)
+ - Other folks that want to dial in. It's 2PM on the 12th.
+ - I'll ask again about you all dialing in.
+ - Take a look at the findings that they issues a few days ago. Specifically, special action team, something between MAPSIT and LEAG.
+ - See the LEAG findings [here](https://www.lpi.usra.edu/leag/reports/LEAG2022AnnualMeetingFindings_FINAL.pdf), particularly finding 6.
+- Lunar SDI Standards:
+ - Data interoperability and (???) should make heavy use of hyperlinks.
+ - Will add references.
+ - Brent will get some additional links / references as well.
+ - Data interoperability: Longitude domain. GISystems want -180 to 180. Compelling reasons to force 0-360?
+ - Another GISer applauded. This avoid problems. What are the reasons not to do this?
+ - Ross: It is hard to get away from being bi-lingual.
+ - Historically, this has been 0-360. Brent, doesn't see these going away. If we want to recommend that one that is absolutely fine. Why doesn't the software accomodate 0-360?
+ - Where are the data creators working?
+ - Ross: Working in 0-360
+ - Large Mare work: 0-360 is a pain
+ - Why? It's hard to make a large mare mosaic when 330 - 90. Data also splits.
+ - Raster is easier / vector is worse.
+ - Recent versions of desktop GISs are not an issue.
+ - LRO standard is 0-360.
+ - Difference between storage standard and display standard.
+ - Propagate the standard.
+ - It is easy to omit the negative.
+ - Fear of mistakes is not a great rationale - but it is definitely a data point.
+ - Motion: Adopt 0 to 360 for data storage. Laz seconded.
+ - Julie, no perfect solution.
+ - Data interoperability -> Map Projections: 'centered on an image' - what does that mean? Poor language.
+ - Julie - will feel foreign to have data in non-equirectangular or orthographic projections.
+ - Brent - storage vs. display. Lunar Geodesy Cartography working group. Use Equirectangular, except where you use polar stereographic. For display, you need to do your thing.
+ - Julie: What is the goal for data interoperability -
+ - User: Just visualize, ad discovery, and interoperability with well calibrated (photometric, radiometric, geometric)
+ - Producer: Make data.
+ - That rationale is not clear for the map projections. When we get to the local stuff, the perspective is going to be different than at smaller scales.
+ - What context can be added to the standards to provide a framework for making these decisions?
+ - Separate discussion for what projections for what processes / analyses?
+ - Can make general recommendations, but local stuff is wide open.
+ - Has Artemis discussed? Engineers want a local system?
+ - Remove the bullets about specific projections. Everything goverened inside the Lunar SDI will be equirectangular. Caveats are confusing.
+ - In another section, we can provide local scale ideas and support.
+ - Cartographic Standards - Styled Layer Descriptor for vector symbols in GeoPackage format
+ - These are really hard, especially when beyond a color / line style. SLD is an OGC standard for cartographic representations. Works great with GIS data in a GeoPackage. This is not tied to an ArcGIS project. This decouples application specific data without losing the value of the symbology. This highlights a gap where there is not great support for translation of SLDs.
+ - Metadata Standards: metadata standards - support of FGDC or ISO, recommending the transition to ISO (reduces friction with accuracy descriptions). Also, should we address unique resource identifiers for data, people, organizations, controlled vocabularies, etc.?
+ - Use a standard. Gov is moving towards ISO. (SPD-41a talks about the need to index metadata.)
+ - Stuff is available in Dublin Core, etc.
+ - Suggest that folks conform to ISO, be happy with others.
+ - Future discussion:
+ - Recommendations on unique identifiers. How are they used, where will they be used, etc?
+ - Brent: Generic improvements. (Jay will integrate.)
+ - Not sure that the headings make sense. Some things seem like cartographic standards. How are the headings organized? Should these change? What is missing?
+ - Headings are not absolute. Re-organization is great.
+ - There should be a section that disucsses reference frames separate from the
+ - Cartographic standards should have map projection information, scale, etc.
+ - Data format standards:
+ - Separate thing. How do you store data? Does this need additional information?
+ - Lunar Geodesy Cartography Working Group (Cartographic or data format section)
+ - Thought about tiling. How do you separate the data? Do we have / endorse a quad system?
+ - Tiling?
+ - When tiling schemes are in conflict that causes interoperability issues.
+ - Need to continue having lunar quads?
+ - Do we need to explain them or recommend their use?
+- Motion:
+ - Clean, add context, reorganize, executive summary, and solicit for feedback.
+- Open floor
+
+
+## Action Items
+- From last meeting:
+ - All: Review governance documents. Async discussion as appropriate. Goal is to be able to discuss in person anything where consensus is hard to find in January.
+ - All: Think about an LPSC abstract (due 2 days before our January meeting). Likely a great opportunity to publicize our work. Discuss async if possible to keep space for standards discussion. I (Jay) can write a lunar/europa SDI one or a separate lunar and Europa one. Anyone on here can first author this too!
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